2019* Castle, IN Guard Alex Hemenway

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Re: 2019* Castle, IN Guard Alex Hemenway

Postby bikerace » Tue Sep 12, 2017 3:10 pm

Alex had a great summer and played on a strong AAU team you guys seam to forget the kid was just a sophomore last year he is being looked at by several power5 schools including IU

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Re: 2019* Castle, IN Guard Alex Hemenway

Postby Tom Servo » Tue Sep 12, 2017 3:24 pm

bikerace wrote:Alex had a great summer and played on a strong AAU team you guys seam to forget the kid was just a sophomore last year he is being looked at by several power5 schools including IU


+1

Also, re. Belmont, which was brought up in another post, I'd gladly take the success they've had over the past 15-20 years over ours any day of the week.
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Re: 2019* Castle, IN Guard Alex Hemenway

Postby tomace44 » Tue Sep 12, 2017 5:37 pm

Tom Servo wrote:
bikerace wrote:Alex had a great summer and played on a strong AAU team you guys seam to forget the kid was just a sophomore last year he is being looked at by several power5 schools including IU


+1

Also, re. Belmont, which was brought up in another post, I'd gladly take the success they've had over the past 15-20 years over ours any day of the week.

If we were in ovc we would but were not I just looked at the teams and I believe usi could win in that conference

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Re: 2019* Castle, IN Guard Alex Hemenway

Postby letsgoAces » Tue Sep 12, 2017 8:39 pm

tomace44 wrote:
Tom Servo wrote:
bikerace wrote:Alex had a great summer and played on a strong AAU team you guys seam to forget the kid was just a sophomore last year he is being looked at by several power5 schools including IU


+1

Also, re. Belmont, which was brought up in another post, I'd gladly take the success they've had over the past 15-20 years over ours any day of the week.

If we were in ovc we would but were not I just looked at the teams and I believe usi could win in that conference


You are ridiculous or are in need of a psychiatrist.

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Re: 2019* Castle, IN Guard Alex Hemenway

Postby tomace44 » Tue Sep 12, 2017 8:43 pm

letsgoAces wrote:
tomace44 wrote:
Tom Servo wrote:
+1

Also, re. Belmont, which was brought up in another post, I'd gladly take the success they've had over the past 15-20 years over ours any day of the week.

If we were in ovc we would but were not I just looked at the teams and I believe usi could win in that conference


You are ridiculous or are in need of a psychiatrist.

Probably so but that's my opinion

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Re: 2019* Castle, IN Guard Alex Hemenway

Postby Austin Ace » Tue Sep 12, 2017 11:29 pm

tomace44 wrote:
letsgoAces wrote:
tomace44 wrote:If we were in ovc we would but were not I just looked at the teams and I believe usi could win in that conference


You are ridiculous or are in need of a psychiatrist.

Probably so but that's my opinion

This thread is getting a little off topic but I think the main point is that the MVC has been consistently rated above the OVC through the years. Also that Belmont has had the luxury of not having to beat out the likes of Wichita State and Creighton year in and year out to get the automatic bid. Without the luxury of winning the automatic bid, Evansville has had to try to finish in the top 30 or 40 teams in the country to make the NCAA tournament - which we all know that Evansville has not been able to do and Belmont has not been able to do either.

The final Sagarin Ratings last year had the MVC rated 10 out of 34 conferences. The OVC was rated 17.
(I believe the MVC was rated as high as the 7th best conferenence about 10 or 12 years ago.)

What would be interesting would be to see he RPI Ratings for both Belmont and Evansville over say the last 10-20 years and to also see if Belmont's RPI was better than the top MVC team in that given year (or in the top 30 or 40 in the country for an at large bid). If not Belmont would not have gotten in the tournament either.

So success for many come down to NCAA tournament appearances and I understand that; but in this case, especially over the last 10 years arguably Belmont's success has more to do with their weaker conference and being able to get the conference automatic bid. Make no mistake Belmont is a good team and their RPI through the years has probably been a little higher than Evansville's but they have definitely benefitted from a weaker conference.

I don't follow USI that closely, but I would agree that a D2 team winning a middle of the pack D1 conference is a bit of a stretch. But point well taken that the OVC is not on the level of the MVC.

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Re: 2019* Castle, IN Guard Alex Hemenway

Postby pafan » Wed Sep 13, 2017 6:52 am

Austin Ace wrote:What would be interesting would be to see he RPI Ratings for both Belmont and Evansville over say the last 10-20 years and to also see if Belmont's RPI was better than the top MVC team in that given year (or in the top 30 or 40 in the country for an at large bid). If not Belmont would not have gotten in the tournament either.


KenPom ratings
...... UE .... Belmont

2007 #83 .... #121 (NCAA App)
2008 #217 ... #129 (NCAA App)
2009 #128 ... #116
2010 #220 ... #132
2011 #169 ... #23 (NCAA App)
2012 #119 ... #25 (NCAA App)
2013 #85 .... #43 (NCAA App)
2014 #211 ... #97
2015 #114 ... #142 (NCAA App)
2016 #72 ... #129
2017 #154 ... #83

The only year where Belmont's rank was better than the top team in the MVC was 2011, where MoSt was #68 and won the regular season, InSt was #108 and won Arch Madness, and Wichita, the #28 ranked team, won the NIT.
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Re: 2019* Castle, IN Guard Alex Hemenway

Postby Tom Servo » Wed Sep 13, 2017 9:34 am

Guys, I think the main point I get out of this is Belmont has been able to recruit/perform at top 3 level of their conference year in and year out and we have not. In my mind, every 3-4 years a team should be able to put a team on the floor that can finish 1st or 2nd in their conference and compete for an NCAA/NIT bid. Belmont has done that, and we haven't. We've had one year in the past 17 where we've done that. ONE!

Everyone is welcome to come to whatever conclusion they want as to why that is. I know I have my opinions as to why.

Now, the real issue is what happens going forward, the past is the past. The MVC is now wide open, there is no Wichita State standing on top of the Mountain any more, or any team that has that kind of death grip on the rest of the teams. There is no team in this league we shouldn't be able to compete with folks. It's all in UE's hands, are we going to step up and become one of the leaders of the conference or are we going to continue plodding along celebrating mid pack MVC finishes as great accomplishments, while watching the fan base continue to vanish into thin air?

Getting guys like Hemenway would be a fantastic first step in stepping up. Perfect fit for us.
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Re: 2019* Castle, IN Guard Alex Hemenway

Postby Austin Ace » Wed Sep 13, 2017 9:35 am

pafan wrote:
Austin Ace wrote:What would be interesting would be to see he RPI Ratings for both Belmont and Evansville over say the last 10-20 years and to also see if Belmont's RPI was better than the top MVC team in that given year (or in the top 30 or 40 in the country for an at large bid). If not Belmont would not have gotten in the tournament either.


KenPom ratings
...... UE .... Belmont

2007 #83 .... #121 (NCAA App)
2008 #217 ... #129 (NCAA App)
2009 #128 ... #116
2010 #220 ... #132
2011 #169 ... #23 (NCAA App)
2012 #119 ... #25 (NCAA App)
2013 #85 .... #43 (NCAA App)
2014 #211 ... #97
2015 #114 ... #142 (NCAA App)
2016 #72 ... #129
2017 #154 ... #83

The only year where Belmont's rank was better than the top team in the MVC was 2011, where MoSt was #68 and won the regular season, InSt was #108 and won Arch Madness, and Wichita, the #28 ranked team, won the NIT.


Thanks. So basically Belmont has had a better RPI rating than UE in 8 of the last 11 years (and just once in the last three years); but of their 6 NCAA appearances would have only gotten in twice to the tournament (2011 and 2012) if in the MVC. Still better than what Evansville has done but Belmont has definitely benefitted from being in a weaker conference by getting 6 bids in 11 years.

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Re: 2019* Castle, IN Guard Alex Hemenway

Postby letsgoAces » Wed Sep 13, 2017 10:12 am

Of course Belmont has benifited by being in a weaker conference. But overall they have been better than us. They have a great coach who has made grest use of what resoureces he has and able to recruit the type of player that fits his system. Evansville has basicly been woeful and has never come close to gaining an at large bid to the NCAA under the present coaching staff.
Now is the time for Marty and staff to step up. Their is now much more of a level playing field than before. Aces need better players or at least the kind that fit in well with our type of offence. I am praying Evansville will be receriving some LOI' s come November.


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