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Has our media finally arrived?

Postby E-Villan » Wed Feb 14, 2018 10:19 pm

Looks like the local media is starting to bring light to the not so pleasant state of Aces Basketball. Kudos to JoJo for highlighting the concern most of us have about declining attendance. She also mentions UE has not had a NCAA appearance in the 11 seasons under Marty. If the media keeps talking, the admins will not be able to continually put their heads in the sand.

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Re: Has our media finally arrived?

Postby AcesHigh » Wed Feb 14, 2018 11:53 pm

Either the UE Administration doesn’t really care about the loss of fans over the past two years (and longer) and are willing to hire/pay coaches at below market prices for D-1, or they have something else in mind for UE athletics. Neither is good for the program going forward.

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Re: Has our media finally arrived?

Postby Austin Ace » Thu Feb 15, 2018 12:21 am

To be fair it is not just Evansville that is down in basketball attendance. It is across the board in college basketball.

Even Kentucky is down as much as 15% in attendance from last year (depending on how you slice and dice the numbers) and they have been first or second in average home attendance every season since 1976-77.

https://www.seccountry.com/kentucky/kentucky-basketball-rupp-arena-attendance-numbers-down-john-calipari-reacts

You can pretty much take your pick of articles of declining attendance in college basketball:

Men's College Basketball Programs Facing Attendance Declines
https://www.athleticbusiness.com/college/men-s-college-basketball-programs-facing-attendance-declines.html

Of the 10 men's basketball teams that witnessed the most fan attrition over the past four seasons, five are members of the Pac-12, where average crowds dropped from 7,808 in 2010-11 to 7,143 last season. The Mountain West witnessed twice as much single-year attrition (and the most in the nation at 1,322 fans lost per game) but still managed to fill 657 more seats per game than the Pac-12...Arizona State saw the nation's biggest four-year attendance drop at 42 percent.

Even a national powerhouse like Duke is not immune to attendance issue.

Student Attendance Dropping for Duke Men’s Basketball Games
https://www.foxsports.com/college-basketball/story/student-attendance-dropping-for-duke-men-s-basketball-games-011917

Declining student attendance at college sporting events is becoming a growing problem among NCAA programs across the country. Even though the popularity of Duke Basketball is at an all-time high, students are still attending fewer home games in Cameron Indoor Stadium. Duke’s student newspaper The Chronicle recently published a great piece on why undergraduate student attendance is dropping.


For those that want to delve deeper on the Division I attendance issue here is a good site:

NCAA Men's Basketball Attendance Division I Summary
http://www.ncaa.org/championships/statistics/ncaa-mens-basketball-attendance

And the list goes on:

College hoops attendance dips again in 2016-17; Kentucky, Cuse, Louisville top draws
https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/college-hoops-attendance-dips-again-in-2016-17-kentucky-cuse-louisville-top-draws/

According to an article in 2015:

College Basketball Has Lost Its Soul
http://time.com/3744860/march-madness-selection-sunday-college-basketball/

Across the country, people seem to be falling out of love with college basketball. Attendance for Division I men’s games has fallen for seven straight seasons, according to the Associated Press.


Why Is College Basketball Attendance Down In Oklahoma?
https://forum.orusports.com/index.php?/topic/10677-why-is-college-basketball-attendance-down-in-oklahoma/

I think by now that you are getting the picture that this issue is not isolated to Evansville basketball.

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Re: Has our media finally arrived?

Postby pafan » Thu Feb 15, 2018 7:22 am

E-Villan wrote:If the media keeps talking, the admins will not be able to continually put their heads in the sand.


If all it took was talking heads blowing hot air, I think we'd be living in a hippie commune by now.
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Re: Has our media finally arrived?

Postby Tom Servo » Thu Feb 15, 2018 8:20 am

Austin Ace wrote:To be fair it is not just Evansville that is down in basketball attendance. It is across the board in college basketball.

Even Kentucky is down as much as 15% in attendance from last year (depending on how you slice and dice the numbers) and they have been first or second in average home attendance every season since 1976-77.

https://www.seccountry.com/kentucky/kentucky-basketball-rupp-arena-attendance-numbers-down-john-calipari-reacts

You can pretty much take your pick of articles of declining attendance in college basketball:

Men's College Basketball Programs Facing Attendance Declines
https://www.athleticbusiness.com/college/men-s-college-basketball-programs-facing-attendance-declines.html

Of the 10 men's basketball teams that witnessed the most fan attrition over the past four seasons, five are members of the Pac-12, where average crowds dropped from 7,808 in 2010-11 to 7,143 last season. The Mountain West witnessed twice as much single-year attrition (and the most in the nation at 1,322 fans lost per game) but still managed to fill 657 more seats per game than the Pac-12...Arizona State saw the nation's biggest four-year attendance drop at 42 percent.

Even a national powerhouse like Duke is not immune to attendance issue.

Student Attendance Dropping for Duke Men’s Basketball Games
https://www.foxsports.com/college-basketball/story/student-attendance-dropping-for-duke-men-s-basketball-games-011917

Declining student attendance at college sporting events is becoming a growing problem among NCAA programs across the country. Even though the popularity of Duke Basketball is at an all-time high, students are still attending fewer home games in Cameron Indoor Stadium. Duke’s student newspaper The Chronicle recently published a great piece on why undergraduate student attendance is dropping.


For those that want to delve deeper on the Division I attendance issue here is a good site:

NCAA Men's Basketball Attendance Division I Summary
http://www.ncaa.org/championships/statistics/ncaa-mens-basketball-attendance

And the list goes on:

College hoops attendance dips again in 2016-17; Kentucky, Cuse, Louisville top draws
https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/college-hoops-attendance-dips-again-in-2016-17-kentucky-cuse-louisville-top-draws/

According to an article in 2015:

College Basketball Has Lost Its Soul
http://time.com/3744860/march-madness-selection-sunday-college-basketball/

Across the country, people seem to be falling out of love with college basketball. Attendance for Division I men’s games has fallen for seven straight seasons, according to the Associated Press.


Why Is College Basketball Attendance Down In Oklahoma?
https://forum.orusports.com/index.php?/topic/10677-why-is-college-basketball-attendance-down-in-oklahoma/

I think by now that you are getting the picture that this issue is not isolated to Evansville basketball.


It's not just an Evansville problem, I do agree...but it definitely hurts us more than any of these others teams. All these power schools have money pouring in from TV contracts, Football, boosters, etc. Evansville basically relies entirely on drawing crowds for recruiting and for money because we are such a small school. It also hurts us more because we have had such a significant drop from what we used to average.

I know we're never going to get back to 8,000 plus, but surely to goodness we can do better than what we are doing. I think with things the way they are today, 6,000 - 6,500 is about as good as you can get. The 3,700 number we are averaging right now is extremely generous too, lots of padding. It's really much worse than that.

The other thing Evansville has that a lot of other places don't is a 250,000 + metro area to draw from. If you can't get 6,000 people to show up out of an area that big, with virtually nothing else going on in the town, there truly is a problem. It's not like Evansville has professional basketball or football that is taking attention away from the Aces. The hockey team isn't drawing either...so that excuse doesn't work anymore either.
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Re: Has our media finally arrived?

Postby letsgoAces » Thu Feb 15, 2018 8:53 am

I think anyone at all in town who follows the Aces already knows that Marty has had zero NCAA or NIT bids...hardly a mystery. It is certainly true college basketball attendance has been declining all over, but not at the pace in which it has happened in Evansville. Marty has lost the fan base. Most fans, IMO, have grown weary of him and his tiresome and redundant sound clips to the media, let alone his lack of on the court success. I have written it before, but I am not sure what the buy out is for Coach Simmons. That has to be a factor if the administration is even thinking about a coaching change. The athletic department is financially dependent on the revenue basketball program produces. At this point the AD and president simply can't look away and think things are going to change and get better. My gosh, Marty can hardly give away a scholarship at this point. But again, can the powers that be buy him out?

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Re: Has our media finally arrived?

Postby sect.3purple » Thu Feb 15, 2018 10:01 am

A question I have that keeps popping up in my mind: Is this non-attention by UE in addressing the glaring losses to the basketball program - not just in games won, recruiting, fans, attendance - but also no band at games, lack of student attendance/support, a dance team that has only 5 participating - is all this slide being allowed to happen so that, when we hit rock bottom, then UE will have a good excuse to just take us out of Div.! competition? Look what happened to football. Is this the future of Div.! basketball?

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Re: Has our media finally arrived?

Postby Acepurple71 » Thu Feb 15, 2018 10:09 am

sect.3purple wrote:A question I have that keeps popping up in my mind: Is this non-attention by UE in addressing the glaring losses to the basketball program - not just in games won, recruiting, fans, attendance - but also no band at games, lack of student attendance/support, a dance team that has only 5 participating - is all this slide being allowed to happen so that, when we hit rock bottom, then UE will have a good excuse to just take us out of Div.! competition? Look what happened to football. Is this the future of Div.! basketball?


The University many years ago decided they would rather embark on getting more foreign students into the school. It meant more revenue for the University in that respect. They made what they thought (wrongly) a good business decision. The Athletics many times in most and especially smaller colleges are not able to be self sufficient in making enough to cover expenses so the university has to kick in money. Hence the reason they got rid of the football program and really considered dropping to DII or DIII in all other sports. Which I thought drove Crews away. Personally I believe this was a dumb decision. Looking at a Gonzaga which injection a bunch of money into their programs allowed them to get a good manager and better players. They did well in the tourney and subsequently they started making it higher and higher each year in the tourney. Which by the way brings in a butt load of money.

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Re: Has our media finally arrived?

Postby letsgoAces » Thu Feb 15, 2018 10:17 am

sect.3purple wrote:A question I have that keeps popping up in my mind: Is this non-attention by UE in addressing the glaring losses to the basketball program - not just in games won, recruiting, fans, attendance - but also no band at games, lack of student attendance/support, a dance team that has only 5 participating - is all this slide being allowed to happen so that, when we hit rock bottom, then UE will have a good excuse to just take us out of Div.! competition? Look what happened to football. Is this the future of Div.! basketball?


I understand your sentiment but it would be hard for me to believe UE would ever drop out of D-1 basketball. The boosters and fans simply would not allow it. Too much outrage and it just won't hapeen. They can still "function" at this level. The question I have is how far will they (administration) allow it to get. From everything I have read the UE coaching job is the lowest paid in the MVC. That is part of the problem too, but I still firmly believe the Aces could still find a good hungry coach who would come here. It will be interesting to see how the boosters with the big bucks evaluate the program themselves after the season is over. Wish I could win the lottery to pay Marty to go away.

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Re: Has our media finally arrived?

Postby PurpleWhiskers » Thu Feb 15, 2018 10:54 am

Even if only 100 shell out money to see the Aces, they shouldn't have to hold their noses watching Marty's stale, archaic, nepotist offense.


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